an add to the quest for the origen of humans

an input from Muniraja Dasa on origen and comparative religion: But i have been urging Muniraja to go into this kind of exploration for some years now... since he is more an expert in the vedic literature... he is a hari Krishna munk here in Finnland.:

Santa Claus and Vedic Connection
Deila
Í dag kl. 10:23
Santa Claus and Vedic Connection

Round the 5th of December the Batavians (now Holland) had a festival dedicated to Wodan/Odin (Varuna) and his son Thor (Indra), who would ride through the sky on Wodan's eight legged, white horse Sleipnir, announcing the change of year. Later their names changed into Kunne Klaas and Tijl, and during the Christian era into Sinterklaas (from Sint Nicolaas). (One of the strategies used by the Christians for the conversion of heathens in Europe.)

His white horse was still there, but now with four legs, and his son had disappeared. Now he was supposed to simply have come from Spain for chastising the naughty children and rewarding the brave ones with gifts from his never ending sack of presents, stuffing them through the chimneys while riding his sledge on the rooftops. Of course he also had a huge book in which everything was noted down about the kids and a bunch of black, dwarfy helpers (supposed to be Moors from Spain). Still later Sinterklaas and his entourage were banished to the North Pole, to become the fatty Santa Claus and his dwarfs of modern times.

Grandfather Frost is a Vedic God

Dadan Upadhyay
Copyright 2000 Indian Express Newspapers (Bombay) Ltd.

MOSCOW, DECEMBER 30: A Russian scholar says red Russia's fairy tale Grandfather Frost, or Ded Moroz, is none other than Varuna, the god of seas in Hindu mythology.

Grandfather Frost, who is currently taking rest at his Moscow residence, gives children presents just as Santa Claus does but is associated with New Year's, the most universally observed Russian holiday. He flew to the capital from the northern Vologda region town of Veliky Ustyug, his official hometown, 800 kms east of Moscow, along with his assistant Snegurochka, or the Snow Maiden, as the festivities kicked off on the Christmas.

In the year 2003, which marks the beginning of the astrological age of Aquarius, Grandfather Frost is expected to shed his dear-old-man mask and allow the people of the world to see him as he truly is Varuna, the supreme Vedic god of water.

According to Vologda State University ethnologist, Svetlana Zharnikova, the Frost legend originated in the Russian north, the cradle of Indo-European civilization.

"All the original paradigms of Indo-European culture grew out of Polar Europe, and one of them is the image of Grandfather Frost," claims Zharnikova. "Because the Indo-European peoples originated within the Arctic circle, which was 30 degrees further south at the end of the Stone Age," she said. Characters related to cold and winter became an integral part of Vedic mythologies.

Varuna was both the source of life and death, and was described in Vedic writings as holding the tree of life, an image reminiscent of Grandfather Frost standing next to a Christmas tree, says the ethnologist.

The mythical hero of Russian children's New Year celebrations is said to emerge from the forest, deliver presents, then disappear to some uncertain destination.


source of Munirajas article:
http://www.hvk.org/articles/1200/202.html

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and here comes a question from me and a comment

Thank you Muniraja for this input to the connection of legends and stories.. would be interesting to here about the "joulu pukki" and his connection to a goat in the vedic context.. Also about if those beings have some stories about a cannibal mother since in Iceland the christmassmen or Joulu pukki where not alone but 13.. or 12 plus one in the ... Sjá meiramiddle like the 12 kings of Atlantis... and yes bye the way this arctic place under the pole star is connected to an island in the northern Atlantis as in the case of Thule and Atlantis and also in the beginning of Kalevala... since Ilmater.. (il is fire and mater is a mother.. the one who feeds the fire.. mata is feeding in icelandic and the one who feeds is very often a mother) yes Ilmaters is in a vast sea for milenums and her knee is becomes hot at the top when the duck is sitting on the eggs and the the knee shakes... these are images of a vulcanic island... a mountain shaking and hot at the top. So therefore i presume we are in iceland since there are the only really active vulcans since milljons of years back on an island far north in the Atlantic. So there we have it the vedic gods coming from Iceland when we search for the root of humans and the root has everything to do with human wild man starting to use a fire as a must in a very cold place they could not leave... since it was an island and therefore in a need of fire to stay alife and i am talking at least million years back.. but then again fire was only used in Europe for 80.000 years by the Neandertals until with the cromagnon... 40.000 years ago, a europe looking man who then whent all over the globe in 5000 years.

Tryggvi

and then I added this:

and by the way... it all starts with an island in wast sea or water in the north, also in the egyptian origen stories just like in the vedic one and that theem is
actually the most common theme in all the flora of origen stories all over the globe.

yes the cannibal mother is represented in Kali and Kali is rootconnected to Hali and then we have Holy and Hel and Helvetica etc etc.. Helios the most ancient sungoddess and a mother of humans,,. and Gaja mother of the gods, is also riming with Kali... seemingly the same root-word and those primal mothers are the same as Ilmater...

and

the real orginal marrow of the red and white colours have to do with the 2 elements in nature 1. the red and white magic mushroom and 2.condly with our roots as humans and the situation where we where "born or created" as humans.. namly a place where the fire and the ice meet.. the extreem cold and the extreem hot... place is the place of our ... Sjá meiraoriginal home.. namely a vulcanic island in the northern atlantic. Pohjola and who was in charge there.. yes Louhi... the one toothed hag of the north... and when you go there you go north west and you either go over the ice in icetilme or later after icetime you have to sail...like Vainemönen the magic boutmaker who had to sing his bout into exhistence... but also had to get some advises from the Pohjola visards to make this bout ready... thanks Muniraja for to trigger this dialoge here... i have been expecting this kind of a inquiery to happen for a loong time now... heilolouuu and marry Joulu.. lets look into deeper and deeper and to the core...

more about red and white colour

just now a i was served the christmass or rather joulu porrige.. and its white rice with milk with burnt sienna redish cinnemo spices on top and mandles in it... also redish... and we know in the north almost all houses where tradishionally mostly red or red and white or black, red and white some... its no coinsidence this colour use... and the ... Sjá meirayellow colour (occur) is also there from very ancient times... in connection with the sunworship... its in the caves in europe 30 and 40.000 ears ago... aboriginals in Australia also use these colours... in their cave paintings... and they came walking from europe 30 - 35.000 years ago.. in Europe everything changed but in Australia they cept the old ways alife through all this time until the europians came some 300 years ago to australia...
blood is also red and people made blodcakes with white fat in it.. the blood became black after cooking... this food is tradishional in iceland and also finnland..
so food, clothes and houses... and then the flag of the nazy party... just one example of how this spycology is misused and the coca cola man..

a film that shakes

really ! an artistic and educating film the pianist from Roman Polansky

a picture of the self

i think we have a picture of ourselfs that isnt really showing who we are...what we are.. how we where and what has become how we are now and how we feel about it makes us sick... pussled.

so how to see who we are

and what difference does it make?

the self image

this being in the mirror

yes we can see this being now and the world we live in and its messy and its hard

and confusing.

How to see better who we are and what we have been through... a dramatic story i have to tell about you and me

how we got here

through the genetic ladder.. generations of experience after gererations

from a cell, to the mouse to the ape

to the fire-ape less than milljon years ago

stranded on an cold vulcanic island for almost 900.000 years

and then we come to a mythological time

before and after the flood

and then a great war started... and we are there in the middle of it

still and its decadence

this war is inside us

we carry its wound within in all our relations,

even with our loved ones and ourself

and war.. what is a war? a great disagreemennt with no compromise between to parties... beings... these things are normally unspoken of... not exepted parts of ourselfs to go into deapts on this wa we are not pieceful..

so we are not whole.. we are broken, but trying to become whole, we do things we call mistakes... we hurt on another... we make a war in the hope we see whats wrong we make more wrong on top of wrong and we suffer and we suffer... trying to find a way out of suffering

there is not one way out of suffering... budda had many advices

but one part of it is to understand what we have whent through.. our story.. a story that explaines for us way we are like we are
not a story that makes powerpeople have a better way of dominating you and exploit but a story that will help you to heal and be whole... exept how you feel and are seeing this being in the mirror

oh should i tell it then?

do you want to hear it?

it is this relationship

between man and woman that needs lika a electric battery some charging time, other ways it will run flat and dead...

and then there is no relationship anymore... no comunication

so instead of being all the time togeather, it becomes more like a love affaire, of a time not spent togeather, but of a memory of each other, very vivid, a constant attraction...

cos if they stay togeather all the time, they will also start to have an argumennt about where 2 go or what to do... and it might eskilate to a powergame and that game has in cases evoulved to a war... even a never ending war and or a seperation total

tragic things have happened

there is a dark side in humans and a dark history too, the hidden one of a war between male and female rule,... as I have told here before... this can come up also
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so the art of giving a space for a distance

the magic art of keeping it a life and glowing

this is the real art of life not practiced by many

and there is a romantic extatic version of the human relationship potential

What is a pot?

A boiling pot is a condenced hot spring...

what is a fireplace with the stones around? ... its a nest for the firebird... a mini vulcan

what is a house?... its a bit bigger mini vulcan

all this tells us that we got the fire from a vulcan.

but sound..

how it wibrates... shakes the air and the heart... and the brain and the hand and a little toe

.. but i keep on going gently..

it makes me very tiered... to bear this "vision"... the story of how we became human... how we had to train to keep the fire... or otherways freesh to death..

this long and inspiring story and this unvbelievable wound that was inflickted into our psyche "in the fall" from grace... from truth and honesty and oneness... as a family being to the "system" of opression and fear.

Soo.. I want to "deliver" this vision

its coming very slowly...

"but the head is visable"

hmm..

well actually its the 9. today of november 09
moonday
just been with the friends of the earth... in Finland...

there where bauterful beings there.. well I fealt they where rather unbeliveably persistent on an academic rithm... with lectures and descussions and it was good ... mostly because there where so many interesting personalities around.. but due to the "academic stile of it ... we did not get to assosiate unough... sortof a bit too rigit... instead of an endless circle.. kind of everybody making a "lecture" and shearing his life vuiw... that would have been approplriate ... anyway.. yes I vitnessed some really attractive expressions...

Anyhow.. we learned that we should stick to the point when we write an article right from the beginning...
And we learn about the situasion in Afrika... How the problem is how the forrests are getting smaller and smaller... a very serious situation for all life in that reigon...
And we got to know about how things are in India also a bit... A very international conserne indeed deep inside finland.

I missed that we didnt talk much about Finland there

But when we finally made it to the sauna... and after ... there was song and some danse actually also yes... that was so much fun

anyhow... i am here and you are there... another day we are on this same way

hmm.. answere to Joko on facebook, with the question on where from Hallowin comes

Heilolouuu ..
The root Hal is the same as in Haleluja... and Helios the sun.. Hel was the represantant of the sun... the most respected female of the tribal time... often the grandmother in the oldest rootfamily... in the place where fireuse was first introdused... Hel becomes a goddess of death in the world of the asas.. the first organized warmashine in history... a woolfclan coming from Persia up to the black sea and then to Sweden, making everything into private property, 2 and 3 millenum back.. they come up north to destroy the old Hel of the wholeness... the leader of the girls before the boys made a revolution against the girls... the first attack against Hel was actually just before the flood.. perhaps almost 12000 years ago... Hel is the same as Demater in the in the Greek terminalogy... the real old fire-goddess (a female leader representing the sun... and the protector of the fire, the little sun... and all knowledge.. more loved and more feared than the pope ever) So what we call farmers later is this people that come north from Little Asia.. they rob the land and kill those who oppose and make those they can cats into slaves... this is called zivilitasion in our programming... we dont even know we are slaves... we have never lived free... like the sheeps and the cows we have been kept ignorannt bye the slavedrivers... what else? they want us love them like we used to love Hel... before this war we where all living in big families... just like the indians in amerika before the cowboys.. the nature people of europe... all cinds of shamanistic familigroups... so this is a long story.. I can tell you about it ... Basically all was stolen from the nature people and still we are inside at heart nature children.. we are just not tought so... I see the whole story from the time we got the fire... this sun and fire highest responsible person was living far north... on a woolcan island in the deep sea... inside a mountain in a cave ... people could get there bye walking over the ice... for thousends of years... anyway... Hel was doomed to death... and forexample the old firefestival.. (how we got the fire in the middle of the darkest time) was stolen and became christmass... then still dovoted to Hel those who wanted to remember ancient Hel started to make another gathering for Hel... gradually it would only be allowed if it was about the dead... and for the christian this was to see how ugly death is ... in contrast with eternal life... rituals here around have gradually become mostly phocused on uglyness and terror... and that can be understood spycologically as remembering the wund... the rejected pain deep inside us... this pain has do do with a repressed feeling coming from this wars and lyes.. this genoside everywhere it has happened now... all over the globe in every corner... all this has been lyed out of history... about how it started... and tvisted... now we are told we have always been stubid and evel and selfish... but all this is a part of the great denial... that there ever happened ... and its propebly the most real foot in all the conspirisy...the deep wund between man and woman and all these powerelemennts introduced with this ownership of land and tyrany... before people sat in a circle.. and coordinated like we still do in families... somewhere i hope but its all becoming squer when the boys took over.. and same with houses and way of thinking... anyway.. the word Hallo comes also from Hel and Holyness and wholesomeness and healing... yes Hellas and Helvetika.. etc etc. Helena also... and Helge.. holyday... Anyway... all about Hel is a big subject... its our great grandmother... mother of humans... same as Gaja and Izinagi... from her comes Isis and Irine to ireland from north... and then these girls go to Creta... called Rea there and then to Egypt... and to east... Kina and Japan... in China she was called the lady of the west in some cronologies.. So she was the sun and was doomed to death bye a male dominators from the south... Partly people who actually came from the north 30.000 years ago. This we morse in bye making strange jokes on Halloine... This is our rejected roots if you want to know more about this story ... write me

and thanks for all your creative goodwill

heilooou

Tryggvi